“What a terrible idea.” That’s what I thought when it was first announced that Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould would be developing a prequel to Breaking Bad. There was no way the series could be on the same level as Breaking Bad, and at worst, they risked ruining its legacy. I quickly learned I was wrong, and Better Call Saul has only grown since its debut seven years ago. We’re closing in on the premiere of season 6 of Better Call Saul, and Bob Odenkirk spoke with Entertainment Weekly to tease what’s in store for this final season.

As we enter this final stage of Jimmy McGill’s transformation into Saul Goodman, Bob Odenkirk said that Better Call Saul season 6 is going to get bloody and painful before all is said and done.

We watched Jimmy McGill get beat around for five years, and he gains and loses some sense of his ethical compass. He doesn’t have much of one, but sometimes he has it, and sometimes it comes back. But to get that last bit of ethical compass cut out of his brain, it’s some deep surgery and it’s gonna be bloody and … painful.

Bob Odenkirk continued: “This show mostly progressed incrementally, and the characters make choices that are incremental. Mostly. And now in this final season, I see much bigger things happening, much faster. It’s just a more turbulent show. The plotting just gets amped up.” Throughout the previous five seasons, Better Call Saul has included more and more references to Breaking Bad as well as different characters crossing over, and Odenkirk says that this latest season intertwines the shows like never before.”In the final season of Better Call Saul, Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul have never been more entwined,” Odenkirk says. “It’s just amazing how many overlaps they’ve discovered and mined for this season of our show. It’s stunning! And it’s going to be cool. For people who watch this, it’s going to be like, ‘I gotta go watch Breaking Bad again,’ as soon as they’re done, they’re gonna have to press play on Breaking Bad, because there’s just so much interaction now. More than any other season. By a lot.“

Better Call Saul season 6 will premiere with two back-to-back episodes on April 18th.